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https://imgur.com/a/3jxpMox
Each of the bets are independent.

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GlenG
Monkey 7 and Dragon 7 are the exact same.
the other ones are kinda weird..but sure i guess
gamerfreak
What is a monkey card?
It sounds like the game uses a special deck....
Venthus
Thanks for this post from:
Actually, that's something I could use clarification on too. I recall hearing from somewhere (maybe a misinformed dream; I've been sleep-deprived lately which leads to all kinds of fun...) that it's just JQK and T doesn't count for the purposes of this.
Wizard
Administrator

What is a monkey card?
It sounds like the game uses a special deck....


I think so too. The Grand Monkey bet pays 5000 to 1 on 'six monkeys.' If any zero-point card were a monkey, which I thought was the vernacular, then the probability of winning would be combin(128,6)/combin(416,6) = 1 in 1,280. Player advantage of 291%.

As a hunch, I worked this out if only the face cards were Monkeys. Probability of winning of 1 in 7,489. House edge of 33.2%.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
gamerfreak

I think so too. The Grand Monkey bet pays 5000 to 1 on 'six monkeys.' If any zero-point card were a monkey, which I thought was the vernacular, then the probability of winning would be combin(128,6)/combin(416,6) = 1 in 1,280. Player advantage of 291%.


As a hunch, I worked this out if only the face cards were Monkeys. Probability of winning of 1 in 7,489. House edge of 33.2%.
Upon further research, I think a Monkey card is a face card or a 10
Wizard
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Upon further research, I think a Monkey card is a face card or a 10


Can you expand upon the research you did? As I just wrote, the player (person playing the game, not the bet) would have a 291% advantage if this were true.
Here is my analysis of the other bets assuming Monkeys are J-K only:
Monkey Tie: house edge of 12.3%
Monkey 6: house edge of 23.1%
These house edges also fall in the normal range for side bets, although the Monkey 6 is rather high.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.

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gamerfreak

Can you expand upon the research you did? As I just wrote, the player (person playing the game, not the bet) would have a 291% advantage if this were true.


Sorry I think you are correct - I was on mobile and not reading carefully.
jopke
Monkey is face card only, 10 doesn't count as a monkey.
Also, the 5000:1 bet has a min/max of $1.
Wizard
Administrator

Monkey is face card only, 10 doesn't count as a monkey.
Also, the 5000:1 bet has a min/max of $1.


Thanks!
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.

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Introduction

Monkey Baccarat is essentially the same thing as EZ Baccarat with three new side bets added. In Monkey Baccarat, all face cards are referred to as 'monkeys.' This is not a mistake on my part. I know the conventional parlance for baccarat is that all zero-point cards are called a 'monkey.' However, the terminology is simply different in Monkey Baccarat. The added side bets are explained in the rules section.

As of this writing (May 1, 2018), Monkey Baccarat can be found at the Morongo casino in California.

Rules

To avoid confusion, I capitalize the names of the Player and Banker bets, while using lower case to refer to people playing the game.

  1. The rules are the same as in conventional baccarat, with the following exceptions and additions.
  2. 'Monkey' cards are defined as all face cards. Contrary to usual baccarat terminology, tens are not Monkeys.
  3. As in EZ Baccarat, the Banker bet pays 1 to 1, except on a winning three-card total of 7 the Banker bet is a push.
  4. The Monkey 7 bet is the same as the Dragon bet in EZ baccarat, which pays 40 to 1 on a three-card winning Banker total of 7.
  5. The Monkey 6 bet pays 12 to 1 if the hand uses six cards, when the 5th card is anything other than a Monkey and the 6th card is a Monkey. The winning side does not matter.
  6. The Monkey Tie bet pays 150 to 1 if the hand uses six cards, when the 5th card is anything other than a Monkey, the 6th card is a Monkey, and the Banker and Player tie.
  7. The Grand Monkey bet pays 5,000 to 1 if the hand uses six cards and all six are Monkeys.

Analysis

The following table shows the probability and contribution to the return for all possible outcomes of the Banker bet. The lower right cell shows a house edge of 1.02%.

Banker

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Banker (except on three-card 7)12,179,619,555,108,8700.4360640.436064
Banker win on 70112,633,011,329,0240.0225340.000000
Tie0475,627,426,473,2160.0951560.000000
Player-12,230,518,282,592,2500.446247-0.446247
Total4,998,398,275,503,3601.000001-0.010183

The following table shows the probability and contribution to the return for all possible outcomes of the Player bet. The lower right cell shows a house edge of 1.24%.

Player

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Player12,230,518,282,592,2500.4462470.446247
Tie Banker0475,627,426,473,2160.0951560.000000
Banker Wins-12,292,252,566,437,8800.458597-0.458597
Total4,998,398,275,503,3501.000000-0.012351

The following table shows the probability and contribution to the return for all possible outcomes of the Tie bet. The lower right cell shows a house edge of 14.36%.

Tie

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Tie8475,627,426,473,2160.0951560.761248
Player or Banker-14,522,770,849,030,1300.904844-0.904844
Total4,998,398,275,503,3501.000000-0.143596

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The following table shows the probability and contribution to the return for all possible outcomes of the Monkey 7 bet. The lower right cell shows a house edge of 7.61%.

Monkey

Monkey 7

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Banker three-card 740112,633,011,329,0240.0225340.901353
All other-14,885,765,264,174,3400.977466-0.977466
Total4,998,398,275,503,3601.000000-0.076113

The following table shows the probability and contribution to the return for all possible outcomes of the Monkey 6 bet. The lower right cell shows a house edge of 23.14% (ouch!).

Monkey 6

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Win12295,533,789,192,1920.0591260.709508
Loss-14,702,864,486,311,1700.940874-0.940874
Total4,998,398,275,503,3601.000000-0.231366

The following table shows the probability and contribution to the return for all possible outcomes of the Monkey 6 Tie. The lower right cell shows a house edge of 12.29%.

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Monkey 6 Tie

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Win15029,035,119,366,1440.0058090.871333
Loss-14,969,363,156,137,2200.994191-0.994191
Total4,998,398,275,503,3601.000000-0.122858

The following table shows the probability and contribution to the return for all possible outcomes of the Grand Monkey. The lower right cell shows a house edge of 33.22%. I have an unconfirmed report the minimum and maximum bet is $1 (sorry, counters).

Grand Monkey

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Win5000667,474,778,8800.0001340.667689
Loss-14,997,730,800,724,4800.999866-0.999866
Total4,998,398,275,503,3601.000000-0.332178

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External Links

Discussion about Monkey Baccarat in my forum at Wizard of Vegas.


Written by:Michael Shackleford